Which political ideology do you most identify with?
Different languages are merely different ways of communicating the same meanings. Words mean things…
The law of identity literally means that a thing is itself. This is not something mankind can event…
This is not something mankind can event as language, because without this basic law the universe would be unable to function.
This right here shows a complete misunderstanding of what the laws of logic are and do.
The laws of logic absolutely are not a governing force of the universe itself, they are simply principles that provide an objective basis in, as the name suggests...logic. The universe itself does not have any "logic" because logic is a man-made concept; logic does not exist at all without anyone to communicate it, because logic itself is merely a property of communication. Without the laws of logic, the universe would still continue to exist exactly the same as it always has, because the universe has no logic without some kind of consciousness to assume such reasoning onto things.
Laws of logic have nothing to do with words, they exist before human language.
So are you under the impression that we "discovered" logic? As if it was some kind of preexisting force, like gravity?
With all due respect, words are not close to the same thing as universal, invariant, logical laws, because words are conventions made up by mankind.
What exactly do you think logic is..? "Logic" is also a convention made up by mankind, as a means of deriving some sense of objectivity within our means of thought. There is no logic without thought. In fact, the laws of logic are synonymously called "the laws of thought" for this exact reason. The laws of logic govern thought, not the universe.
I'm curious to know how you even explain logic without thought...since you seem to insist that the universe itself requires "logic" to exist?
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If the laws of logic "absolutely are not a governing force of the universe itself" why do we never get x-and-not-x at the same time, in the same sense? Why is, for example, a celestial body never both a neutron star and not a neutron star at the same time? Why can two truths never be contradictory to each other? Why can the earth not be both spherical and flat at the same time? It's because, obviously, the laws of logic apply to the universe itself, otherwise they would merely exist inside our brains – and how could we expect information that evolved inside our brains to be reliable in any way, shape, or form? How without God, can we trust the reliability of the human senses, understand the rules of correct reasoning, or have any basis for basic morality? None of these questions have been answered...
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If the laws of logic "absolutely are not a governing force of the universe itself" why do we never get x-and-not-x at the same time, in the same sense? Why is, for example, a celestial body never both a neutron star and not a neutron star at the same time?
You seem to be under the impression that "logic" is some kind of physical force that the universe must adhere to, instead of simply a man-made means for us to maintain a sense of objectivity within the world around us, which is a fundamental misunderstanding of what "logic" is in the first place. A celestial bod… Read more
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“The laws of logic DO only exist inside our brains because that is where our thoughts are. Without thought, there is no logic to think of in the first place. The laws of logic do not apply to the universe, WE are applying the laws of logic ONTO the universe.”
If the laws of logic only exist because of thought, why do we need laws of logic to correct our thoughts?
If there is no "objective basis for morality ... [and it] is completely made up" then why have you repeatedly claimed that it is "wrong" to deny a woman her "bodily autonomy" by restricting abortion, and why have also claimed that it is "wrong" for capitalists to "exploit" workers? You never said that you personally believe those to be wrong, rather you claimed that they are self-evidently wrong, and that government, or society, or the maj… Read more
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If the laws of logic only exist because of thought, why do we need laws of logic to correct our thoughts?
What do you even mean by "correct our thoughts"..? And why do you think that thought isn't also just as necessary in doing that? Being introspective of your own thoughts...also requires thought. There is literally no world in which logic is even capable of being used without thought, because that's where it comes from.
If there is no "objective basis for morality ... [and it] is completely made up" then why have you repeatedly claimed that it is "wrong&qu… Read more
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(1) By "correct our thoughts" I mean that, as individuals sometimes violate the principles of correct reasoning in favour of emotionalism, we need laws of logic in order to ensure we are reasoning correctly. If laws of logic were based upon what we as human beings think, then they could not be used as a tool to think or reason correctly. History demonstrates that it is the tendency of humanity to be irrational and emotional, so how could a system based upon irrational and emotional thoughts possibly be a determiner of correct reasoning and argumentation?
(2) I cannot but express dism… Read more