Converation thread

Democrat Party claiming the are “protecting democracy,” refuse to have primary debates, juggle the sequence of primary elections to protect Biden and use every legal tool to kick their opponents off the ballot rather than let the voters make their own choices. HYPOCRISY

Well, they’re trying to expand voting rights, openly campaigning against the obvious fascist Donald Trump, and no, they’re not behind his court cases, that’s his own party too.

Here you are spewing CNN propaganda again, without evidence...

Please, dear lord, let me talk about Project 2025 and everything wrong about it. believe me, that alone makes him a fascist.

I barely graced the surface.

And I barely graced the surface of Joe Biden weaponising the Deep State against his political opponents, the definition of fascism...

Fascism is inherently far-right, check every prominent fascist in history.

Didn't I show you how Far-LEFT Hitler's Nazi Party Manifesto was a few days ago?

He ran off the platform of socialism because that was what people wanted, but created a fascist corporatocracy instead because he NEVER believed in socialism, but he was an extremely good liar. He openly fought against “Jewish Marxism” was extremely anti-communist, and the very first thing he did when he gained power was imprison communists and socialists. He believed in absolute submission to leaders, another common fascist trait, and claimed he wanted to restore Germany to a glorious past that, unbeknownst to their people, didn’t even exist before.

here’s a speech…  Read more even from 1921:

If Hitler used socialist rhetoric as a platform what's to stop any socialist candidate you like from doing the same thing? We've seen that everyone who promises socialist agenda, if he gains power, ends up severely abusing it. So even if you won't admit you're dead wrong, at least admit that socialism is a scam and you'll never get what you want.

That’s literally what Donald Trump does to his own nation: he claims he’ll bring prosperity yet he’s set up to disrupt Separation of Church and State, and destroy Selaration of Powers. The defining factor is if that candidate has ACTUALLY DONE very socialist style things, if they help unionize businesses or passed bills for single-payer healthcare. Hitler did none of this, and Hitler still used “The Left” as one of his big bad guys. Hitler simply claimed that HIS version of “socialism” was the right one, and just like most fascists, it tended to appea…  Read morel to socialists, but actually targeted them first whenever they actually gained power. Though, appealing to socialists doesn’t mean that literally any socialist candidate could be a fascist. Fascists like Hitler were liars who simply tried to grow their base and promote violence.

That's known as the "Appeal to Hypocrisy" Fallacy – you're accusing me of being hypocritical in that I vote for President Trump, who has not fulfilled all his promises, I heartily agree, while failing to address the devastating point that voting for progressive politicians is a scam that's cost hundreds of millions of lives. Even I was being hypocritical, that lends no logical credence to your position and gives you no excuse. But let me make myself clear – I am not voting for Trump in this primary, but Vivek Ramaswamy. I will only vote for Trump if/when he's the GOP nominee to stop Biden.

My position is that any candidate can lie, but it’s their track record that makes them more likely to be right. Hitler didn’t unionize people or try to empower the workers, he simply ranted about Jews, leftists, and how he’ll “Make Germany great again.” Though, it wasn’t his slogan, he used the phrase plenty. I am voting for Biden because he is the best defense against trump. Biden isn’t voting for extremely radical projects, he’s voting for aiding our allies and attempting to help the poor. For the first time ever, Medicare is actually capable of negotiating to price medicines with private companies, meaning that prices can actually be brought down now. (No, if we cut regulations on healthcare companies, they wouldn’t be lowering prices, they’d hieghten then.)

How can you help the poor by plundering money from the people who could hire the unemployed through the income tax?

The rich are not being plundered, they are being taxed higher because they make so much higher than the average person. They did not work more to gain their wealth, they gained it off of the unfair and unsustainable labor of their employees, who they frequently do not pay enough. Reducing an already extremely large amount of profits for those who do not even work enough to get that ludicrous sum of money is not stealing, it is a way of giving back to the very population that they used to get there. As they make more, they pay more.

I know you’ll hate me for it, but I’ve just got to say — you have committed yet another logical fallacy, one exclusive to economics, known as the Zero Sum Fallacy. This is the notion that in every, or most, transactions one party must gain at the expense of the other. This is blatantly false, however, because if both parties did not see themselves as making a net gain, no economic transaction whatsoever would take place in our economy, as the loser wouldn’t want to trade goods or services at his expense rather than his benefit. Rather, due to the principle of Economic…  Read more Calculation, the vast majority of transactions result in a net gain to both parties, each giving up something they don’t want, or want less, for something they want more, thus raising the standard of living and wealth of both parties. Multiply this by millions of economic transactions every day and you get a roaring economy with a consistently rising standard of living and a vast increase in wealth. This is known as a free market. But introduce force or fraud into a transaction, and odds are that one or more parties will suffer a loss. Taxation adds both negative elements to every transaction that occurs, fraudulently forcing people to fund projects when they’d rather spend their hard-earned money elsewhere. Multiply this by millions of transactions every day and you get a tanking economy.

Maybe because, yet again, you do not understand that corporations and businesses will not simply just make transactions and do nothing else, they will do revolting things for money, and often don’t hire new people, but rather cut jobs to increase short term profits. They do the opposite of most everything you’ve stated in this situation, and that’s been proven time and time again. It takes a truly despotic company to fire a large percentage of their workforce when it’s unnecessary, and that is a common practice today. They don’t pay people enough, their productiv…  Read moreity skyrockets yet the wages only ever increased for their CEOs. Taxation is meant to give back to the people, to provide for a military in the first place, and to make sure that corporations don’t do their most disgusting atrocities, such as the horrifying acts of the Industrial Revolution, the child labor, the train derailments, and the OSHA violations that make broken houses look like mansions in comparison to the working environment they built. We have a fairer economic system today BECAUSE of regulation. Without it, poverty soared, because the upper class and businesses refused. They left us nowhere to go, they WERE the force with the iron fist. That's why we need at least some regulation, so they’re not galavanting around doing the opposite of their intended function. A truly free market economy doesn’t free the people, it frees the businesses, and few else.

If taxation is justified because it "gives back to the people" are other forms of theft, conducted by private individuals, then justified if the loot is passed out to the homeless? Absolutely not, that's clearly a morally outrageous position. What makes governmental theft (aka taxation) any different than private theft? Consider why we allow a criminal cartel masquerading as a disinterested defender of minority interests to plunder our wealth, regulate our businesses, and run our lives and finances.

Because we do need a government and we don’t need corporations. How does a military stay in line without anyone at its head? Private businesses exist with a profit motive and far too little regulation. If you acknowledge they’re still thieves as well, then why do you advocate for the destruction of government and not the corporations? Taxation has existed since 5,000 years ago, and is an essential tool to make society better if it’s actually used WELL, because one cannot rely simply on themselves to prosper. Hyper individualism is extremely flawed, as the very way we grew as a society came from group cooperation, not thinking only of your own gain.

There are non-criminal means of acquiring government revenue – voluntary taxes, excises on whiskey and tobacco, and tariffs, which were the in fact the sole means by which the US collected its revenue from the Articles of Confederation till the War For Southern Independence. Look it up. These are non-criminal, fair, and reasonable means of collecting revenue with which, in moderation, I take no issue, because Americans can simply chose not to buy imported goods, whiskey, and tobacco, therefore it a "fee" not blatant theft as the income, sales, estate, capital gains, and other taxes clearly are!