And there were plenty of loyalists to Britain, the revolution itself was a minority group...
Hold up, I thought we were talking about labor unions and free markets and monopolies, not the history of the birth of this great Confederation. This word salad sure has the most random things in it...
The unions sometimes betrayed the interests of the workers, and in many cases, yes, they got bloody, so did we during the revolution.
That's an Appeal to Hypocrisy Fallacy – you're saying that violence and bloodshed on the part of the unions I cannot claim is wrong when I would have supported the American Revolution, but that completely sidesteps the moral dilemma you, as a pro-unioner, must inevitably face. Consider my arguments on its own merits rather than accusing me of being a hypocrite. Do not sidestep logic to point the finger at conservatives. Plus your alleged equivalency between the War of Independence and labor unions is an absurdity – the American Patriots were deeply conservative Christians who were only fighting to keep the constitutional rights they had as Englishmen, not to create new and radical ideas like equality, and plus, they tried every method of peace and reconciliation they could because the war finally erupted after Britain in cold blood slew the blameless inhabitants of Lexington and Massachusetts was forced to fight. Learn some history before you bring it up & embarrass yourself....
their members had their hearts in the right place
That's a Question Begging Fallacy – that hasn't been established and that's the very point in question. Don't use your very position as an argument for your position, I need real, pure, raw, historical evidence that their hearts were in the right place...
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I am using the British loyalists as an example, not a diversion, to explain my point of view. People do disgusting things to do what they view is right, and today, what they did has proven to be right in the long run as now you HAVE weekends, now you have 8-hour workdays, overtime pay, a guaranteed basic amount of wages for working, mandating you be paid at least close to what you’re worth. Whatever economic impact that caused, it was worth it, because we’re happier, we’re healthier, we’re BETTER than in the 1880s, and that’s thanks to unions and the labor movement overtime.
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Here's a thought experiment – imagine some cataclysmic event destroyed all the technological progress of man since the year 1800 and we were left completely to start over, completely to recreate everything we've lost – but with a catch – you can't work you employees more than eight hours a day, you can't work your employees more than five days a week, they must be paid 50% more for every hour they work more than that, you must pay them $15 an hour, you must allow them to unionise and go on strike whenever they please, you cannot let teenagers work, you… Read more
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Well, I’d lax SOME of these things because some of them are useless now, but a lot of these things being destroyed just leads to disgustingly inhumane and unethical conditions, practically creating barely paid slave labor. I’d take out the unions for a little bit to get some progress done, but the moment they become big again, we’re riding these types of regulations right back in. With our current minds and access to knowledge, we’d recreate our previous circumstances extremely fast regardless. The factories that create the parts for more factories don’t have to… Read more
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For the ten thousandth time, tax cuts benefit ALL so-called "classes" precisely because when the rich have more money, they expand their businesses, create more jobs, innovate, invest, in many cases, like the Ford Motor COmpany in the 1900s, pioneer new employee benefits to competitively garner necessary workers, and they invest in stocks, bonds, real estate, ad infinitum, all of which create jobs and employment for the middle & lower classes on top of moving the economy forward and creating new technologies. Regulations on private business are often ludicrous, and contribute… Read more
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Yet somehow tax cuts on the rich have zero correlation to our growth, and actually impair it drastically due to the deficit being increased as a nation makes less overall revenue from losing the tax revenue. Our productivity has never been higher, improving by over 60% within less than 50 years, while wages have increased a revoltingly small quantity of 17% in return. We’re exhausted, and it’s time that the money the rich gained largely from us comes full circle back, because this money hasn’t been used to help us, nor has it ever been guaranteed to. Ford did that as a rare… Read more
