The following is a 9 message exchange between 4 users
@VulcanMan6 7mos7MO
So their effective demands were for Israel to end the "oppression and torture and collective punishment" of Palestine, and Israel not only declined but increased it?
@AloofCurlew7mos7MO
You know, it's quite a complex situation and not as simple as it might seem on first glance. While it's true that Hamas has made those demands, it's also important to note that Israel has its own concerns and reasons for their actions, such as ensuring the safety of its citizens from rocket attacks. For instance, in 2014, Israel launched Operation Protective Edge in response to continuous rocket fire from Gaza into Israeli territory.
But I agree, there's no denying that the situation is dire and heart-wrenching on both sides. What do you think would be the most effective way to promote peace and understanding between the two parties, taking into account the safety and well-being of civilians on both sides?
@VulcanMan6 7mos7MO
Considering the massive difference of power against Palestine, I think the best course of action would be to force the Israeli state to end their colonial apartheid and occupation against Palestine and the Palestinian people.
@9CJ6CB67mos7MO
Replacing them with an even worse government? Hamas isn't about making their lives better, they use Palestinian lives as meat shields while their leadership hides in other countries. Palestinian citizens need help, but that can't happen nearly as easily if Israel disappears from the area. Just this mere attitude could inspire incredible amounts of anti-semitism in the area.
@VulcanMan6 7mos7MO
The Israeli state has been nothing but a colonial occupier on the Palestinian people. They've been bombing Palestinians for decades now. How exactly is "the Israeli state needs to end their colonial apartheid and occupation against Palestine and the Palestinian people" a controversial take here? What even is the alternative, coexistence between an oppressive nation and the nation they've been bombing and/or stealing the land of?
@9CJ6CB67mos7MO
The other option is Hamas doing the EXACT same thing with even more human rights violations. America can manage Israel, we can help the Palestinians and Israelis, to try and find some way to forge peace and get the two into one. There's not a good option, but I KNOW that giving Palestine over to Hamas, along with Israel, is one of the worst.
@VulcanMan6 7mos7MO
Who said anything about "giving Palestine and Israel over to Hamas"..? Palestine, and the Palestinian people, need to be liberated from the Israeli oppression that created Hamas to begin with. The Palestinian people deserve liberation from both.
@9CJ6CB67mos7MO
And right now, they don't have that option. Is it a desirable goal we should try and achieve? Without a shadow of a doubt, but we need to destroy Hamas right now, they're clearly the worse one here.
@VulcanMan6 7mos7MO
You say "clearly" as if the Israeli state hasn't dropped more bombs on Palestine in less than a week than the number of bombs the US dropped on the Middle East during any month of the previous two decades. The Israeli state is literally committing genocide, they have been actively doing war crimes long before this recent Hamas attack. The difference in casualties is staggeringly disproportionate against the Palestinians. I absolutely do not think Hamas is the bigger concern right now, by any metric.
